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it can be hard to believe that pain has no associated damage or injury
And also "hard to believe" that my incredible stiffness after staying in a posture for longer than a few minutes, is also a CNS problem.
So much more logical that there is chemical imbalance directly in the muscles.
I was reminded of this today as so often being in the catch 22 that I needed to get to the toilet in 10 seconds, but I need 60 seconds or more to get up. Result is more pain.
As said, fibromyalgia is so much more than pain, so that hypothesis would have much more to explain.
 
And also "hard to believe" that my incredible stiffness after staying in a posture for longer than a few minutes, is also a CNS problem.
So much more logical that there is chemical imbalance directly in the muscles.
yep I too get similar but mine is due to the fibromyalgia pain - I get similar spasms in the back muscle when my spinal nerve is pinched - there is very little you can do when you get these spasm once the pain subsides they disappear till next time. My old age also causes stiffness if I sit in a position for two long but that just old age.
 
You don’t need help cleaning your house?
We have an 90 square yard flat, and I do almost all of the cleaning. My wife sometimes suggests getting a cleaner, that's after a week where I've been worse. But someone cleaning once a week is no use, something has to be done every day. I do it all in regular short stints (5' or 20'), much of it on all fours, task-switching. It's me that defines what is dirty. My wife may be a bit messy, very taxing job and life, so I have to re-order and simplify things, so that she's satisfied and I can clean easier.
Or doing laundry at times?
My wife does that, cos she puts high demands on it. I always used to do it in earlier partnerships. And I could / can do it now with fibro, too. The tough bit for me is putting the stuff up on to the washing line and getting it down again. My workarounds are doing it in 2-3 minute stints if necessary, task-switching (including arm stretches), re-defining perfection to 80%, not using clothes pegs, doing most on low lines, except bed stuff, etc.
Or running errands?
My 2 organic food stores and any others I need are around the corner or 10-15 cycle minutes away. If it weren't that way, I'd make sure it was. I've simplifed any errands etc. so most take under 30, preferable 20 minutes.
For me, even sweeping and mopping my studio floor can throw me into a fibro flare for days.
So I don't mop.... Sweeping with broom or hands or vacuuming I do a room at a time, or rather preferably 10 minutes at a time, or as short as necessary to not get a backlash of more than 10 minutes, so I can switch there and back until it's finally done after a few hours, and a few other tasks too. Back to the laptop or some other task that strains a different part of my body....
And driving can even hurt sometimes.
Oh, that would be the worst thing for me. I've hardly ever driven, and also don't like being driven, and can't either. The other day after 10 minutes I needed 30 minutes to recover. I can't go by train any more, can't commute to work etc.
It’s the physical things that burden me now and it’s incredibly frustrating at times because I used to be very active.
Yeah, what I'm having (and able) to learn recently since adjusting to my continually increasing amount of symptoms, aside from finding treatments for each of them, is to reduce my energy output to about let's say 60%, instead of burning thru at 80% and needing hours, days, weeks, months of backlashes / flares. That way I can live much more effectively. I can even carry heavy things, but only for a very short time. Also I've learnt to make each break very effective, active, concentrated, and use each for other things, so I hardly ever feel as if I'm having a break, I'm just doing something different, just as active as ever, just having to sit or move very slowly most of the time...
I try my best to stay grateful for what I have, but of course physical inability still gets to me at times. And I’m still pretty new at asking for help so it still feels foreign to me.
What I've been practicing with other people is to tell even strangers exactly what I need without ado, or just take it. Occasionally I do ask people to do something for me, or let them if they offer, but usually it's a case of me saying, let me do it, I need to, even if it takes 2 minutes. My wife kept wanting to help me take my shoes and trousers off a year ago. But because I didn't let her, kept at that and doing stretches, she doesn't offer it any more, cos she realizes I need to use it to not lose it, but also because it's got better again.
I know I have to make peace with it for it to feel like a more comfortable place. I’m happy for you that you’re so independent and your fibro seems to let you do more physical things.
These are all just tons of mental and physical tricks I've learnt - I know how to throw my limbs and torso around so that it takes little energy, use anything around me to do so, incl. gravity and impetus etc. It looks a bit strange, at the end I look at my wife and grin "ta-daaaaa" and make a clowny gesture.... ;P
I’m not sure I understood your response. Maybe you would be so kind as to elaborate. Good to find my own one, as in sleep schedule? Check with others, as in doctors or those in forums? Then you list a couple supplements and give catching early daylight as a supplement example? I feel like I’m reading this incorrectly perhaps.
No, all read perfectly. It's good to re-check what we believe is good sleep hygiene and see if it is right for me at the moment, or if something else is necessary. Improving my broken sleep started off with identifying 30 "wakers" = insomnia triggers, realizing that most normal herbs / supps either didn't work or zombified me, so took over a year to find GABA, overdose of passiflora and quite a few more that increase serotonin, also cold showering before sleep, sometimes during. And of the sleep/insomnia experts I prefer Huberman and Selsick, who use similar supps to me (e.g. GABA) but added some sleep hygiene tips like early daylight that I was not familiar with despite regularly going to a sleep lab psychiatrist. I think if I listed everything I usually need to do just for sleep alone, it'd be about 50. With the result that I am "only" up 4-5x per night, however now usually under 1h, and almost continual deep sleep - if I don't sleep deeply, I immediately get up, cold or warm shower or do NSDR (all things the sleep experts suggest, except my body crazily likes cold showers, but then these sleep experts don't have my fibro body).
If you’d be so kind, which supplements have you found work well for your sleep? I understand everyone is different.
Wow! Thanks for the hot tips. Now I know how to post like a pro 😂
JayCS thank you so much for taking the time to read my post and respond to it. I appreciate your insights.
*grin* - I do my best. :) My main sleep supps are quite a lot of GABA (also used by Huberman), balanced with glutamate, overdosed passiflora (normal dose does nothing), PQQ, quercetin, CoQ10, rhodiola, luteolin, magnolia bark/honokiol, from Huberman myo-inositol and apigenin. But an antihistamine (rupatadine) after the 3rd jab, not the 1st and 2nd has now also put a bit more oomph behind all these, so I no longer have to sleep 9 hours to get restored, 7 to 8 is enough, which is weird, it's less than pre-fibro (but then I was working 50h/wk, so that's an unfair comparison).
As magnesiums I've used malate and threonate in the evenings, glycinate wakes me up tho (same as theanine), and I don't think any make that much difference to my sleep, At the moment I'm only taking glycinate in the mornings, and sleep is the same....
(Melatonin, 5-HTP, ashwagandha, L-tryptophan, L-taurine, levodopa, valerian, hops, chamomile: all absolutely no help, the first 5 very harmful.)
 
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yep I too get similar but mine is due to the fibromyalgia pain
Yeah, interesting, cos it does seem I'm one of only a few odd ones that don't just have typical fibromyalgia morning stiffness, but all day. I'm always happy for someone to chime in with me also having this. As no one ever suggests it's something different to fibro, and I can't imagine it either, I wonder if there is a small "stiffness subgroup", I'd guess 10%. It definitely feels like a tin man, but as opposed to old age it can vary in 10 minutes, I can jump around like pre-fibro. Also everything can be OK while cycling, but when I get off, I am so stiff that I have to watch that I don't fall over (I make sure I'm near a wall to fall against, while I "unravel"). The stiffness is generally dangerous, I have to watch closely how I catch myself to not hurt my feet, the bones tend to crack painfully as I'm not able to move them correctly. My wife offering to pull me up is absolutely no help, cos my muscles just aren't working yet and the same thing happens ...
 
For my personal sleep hygiene, I get early sunlight each morning for about an hour, sometimes more. I have a bright light that I use if I need to, per doctors orders. I have been seeing a sleep doctor and a psychiatrist who specializes in sleep disorders for the past five months. We’ve been working together to try to conquer decades of insomnia and get me to more of a routine sleep schedule. I have a sleep study scheduled to check for any possible sleep disorders. I am also well aware of any sleep hygiene tips. I feel like at this time I’m doing all I can as far as trying to balance my circadian rhythms.
Whoops forgot that bit: Sounds like you're getting good help. I'm surprised you're getting a sleep study scheduled after 5 months, I got mine immediately, is that an insurance issue? And decades of insomnia, is that pre-fibro, never got a handle on it before? My sleep was fine till fibro broke it to smithereens. Maybe I got it sorted quicker cos I didn't wait? (And would never use meds.) I don't think the early sunlight or daylight lamp is the most crucial bit, but I think it does help. More important to me personally is not to stay in bed unless I sleep or do NSDR (Yoga Nidra) and get up at the same time each morning may be helpful I'm not sure. Got that from Huberman, was skeptical, but seems to work. Sometimes means only 6 hours sleep, but at least I'm a bit more tired that evening. And the sleep is concentrated, effective and restorative, not dozing. NSDR is much more restorative than dozing, for me it's almost like sleep, although I'm awake. And weird that a cold shower will almost always put me to deep sleep for 2 hours (after my system calming down in about 15 minutes). Huberman says warm shower: that can work for me, but it doesn't calm my cortisol and histamine down as well. He says it's about the body needing to cool down, which is better after a warm shower. For me that works totally differently....
And at the moment it's all askew since getting "not-CoV", cos I've suddenly started to get night sweats if I don't take everything off except all my 5 pairs of socks plus a hot water bottle on my feet to reduce the coughing and anything else that is too cold for a time, until the sweating starts again.... Getting that checked too now...
 
Also everything can be OK while cycling,
there is no way I could get on a bike - walking is bad enough and I don't know where I would stow my walking stick on the bike.
 
there is no way I could get on a bike - walking is bad enough and I don't know where I would stow my walking stick on the bike.
Well, for me walking is worse than cycling - cycling easier. On a "walk" I always have to take my bike.
The other day I met and talked with a woman who put her 2 crutches on her bike, turned out she has MS.
Anything long (even 3 yards) you just thread between your legs, if necessary tie it somewhere (I never do).
A telescopic walking stick is even easier.
A bicycle rack on the back helps, they're normal here in Germany and Holland.
With that I can put "everything" on my bike, even biggest transistor TVs (for 10 minutes, without traffic).
This afternoon I'll be transporting a cardboard box with a vacuum cleaner on the back, fastened with 3 old rubber inner tubes, and on the handle bars I can put 3-4 bags on either side.
Having to move loads of stuff the last few months, my wife offered to drive once or twice with the bigger stuff, like shelves (taken apart), but made such a fuss and hassle of it might've been easier if I'd've done it alone. It's a good feeling to know I don't need a car. There was one enormous shelf, which my wife convinced me to get someone to bring it over with a van, rather than sell it or take it apart. I don't want anything I can't transport with my bikes.
 
Well, for me walking is worse than cycling - cycling easier
most cities and towns overseas are built on flat ground - down here we see hills and we build a town - here just moving in the underground Woolworths carpark requires crampons and climbing rope

On the farm I walked everywhere rather then drive - walking allowed me to check the grass and the sheep but with the COPD I can't walk very far now
 
Amesalot the edit button are the three dots on the bottom left of your posts next to report (it's only there a few days though and then it's permanent, I think unless you ask for it to be removed)
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That's, ok ( I would have done it sooner, just been recovering from operation
I would’ve responded sooner but I forgot my password 😂🤪 So many passwords these days! And my brain fog is too real.
I hope you’re recovering well from your operation 💕
 
edit button are the three dots
Thank you! I’m not tech savvy by any means. I try my best to learn what I can but honestly it isn’t a subject that interests me so I find it hard to delve into fully. I learn about techie stuff more out of necessity 😂
 
reduce my energy output to about let's say 60%, instead of burning thru at 80% and needing hours, days, weeks, months of backlashes / flares. That way I can live much more effectively
Thank you for all the great insights in your reply. This makes so much sense to me and I admit, on days when I feel “good” I tend to overdo it. I need to learn how to pace myself.
10 minutes at a time, or as short as necessary to not get a backlash of more than 10 minutes, so I can switch there and back until it's finally done after a few hours,
This! I need to remember to do this. It’s so difficult with my ADD and now the brain fog. I used to just constantly be up and down, back and forth, and now it’s difficult for my body to keep up with my mind. Pacing is going to be difficult but necessary for me. Thank you for allowing me a leak into your day to day.
My main sleep supps
Thanks for the insight on your sleep routine. I’m always interested to hear how others are dealing with similar issues, although I understand each of us is quite different in how we handle certain supplements or medications. I’m extremely interested in hearing more about supplements.
I also have bipolar and suffer from anxiety and panic attacks so I already take enough meds as it is. I’ve tried numerous times in the past to lower the amount and levels of meds I’m taking, but I think I may be as low as I can go, at least for the time being.
 
Sounds like you're getting good help. I'm surprised you're getting a sleep study scheduled after 5 months, I got mine immediately, is that an insurance issue? And decades of insomnia, is that pre-fibro, never got a handle on it before?
I have had a couple scheduled before this but canceled them last minute due to panic attack. I suffer from severe anxiety that can turn almost agoraphobic if I don’t push myself to get out of my studio every day. I feel that’s one of the hardest parts of the flare ups for me, the aftermath.
I had various doctors prescribe every sleep med in the book and nothing worked. No one ever suggested a sleep study or a sleep specialist. And honestly I have so many other health issues that I suppose I got used to it, I’ve dealt with it my whole life, so it got put on the back burner until I finally found this new group of specialists.
More important to me personally is not to stay in bed unless I sleep or do NSDR (Yoga Nidra) and get up at the same time each morning
I also only use my bed for sleep. If I don’t fall asleep within about half an hour I get up and read and try again in a little bit. I wake up with the sunlight these days. I just stopped closing my curtains and even if I did I think I’d wake up early anyways.
Huberman says warm shower:
I have heard taking a warm shower helps and I used to do that until my sensory issues got really bad. Showering is not a fun experience for me anymore and that sucks, to be blunt.
I've suddenly started to get night sweats
I started early onset menopause in 2021 so I completely understand the night sweats. It’s frustrating and heartbreaking honestly to go through menopause at 40 when your friends are still having kids.
 
my brain fog is too real.
I hope you’re recovering well from your operation 💕
Yeah, im feeling better (thanks for asking). im not really tech savvy either , When i first joined the forum
predictive text was changing my words all time (and i thought i remembered seeing in your posts you wanted the edit option in case) and yeah brain fog is "definatly" real (and annoying 🙄 ) (I've almost gaslighted myself sometimes cos of it 🤪
 
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This! I need to remember to do this. It’s so difficult with my ADD and now the brain fog. I used to just constantly be up
Yeah I used to need tons of reminders, alarms and my wife's reproaching to SWITCH. What helps me is loving variety.
Thanks for the insight on your sleep routine.
Another great idea from Huberman is like I said on the other thread: the 5' worry time in the evening, putting a plan for the next day on a piece of paper. It doesn't sound as if it'd work, does it, too easy? But I'm getting it to work. If a worry then does crop up again, I immediately smack it down like whack-a-mole, shouting at it to get/keep lost till the morning. I know it so often will then be gone anyway....
 
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