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For some reason the browser automatically translates my message into Russian. Below I duplicate the message in English
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You are right, the reason is in the central nervous system, but somatoform disorders arise from problems in the central nervous system. As my doctor F. said, this is a complex mental, neurological disorder. It often occurs as a reaction to stress and as a reaction to a somatic disease. The success of F. treatment largely depends on the treatment of the underlying disease that caused F. I want F. to rule. This is a heterogeneous disease - different causes of F., the result is the same. By the way, have you ever wondered why F. occurs more often in women? The doctor said, because neurosis in women is much more common than in men - differences in the work and relationships of parts of the brain, the brain have some differences depending on gender. The problem in muscle function is largely associated with the neurotransmitter norepinephrine, so duloxetine and venlafaxine are the drugs of choice - they lead to the reuptake of norepinephrine. This neurotransmitter greatly affects the functioning of organs, including muscles, intestines, bowel diseases and irritable bowel syndrome. By the way, a person breathes thanks to muscles - the diaphragm, it expands and contracts the lungs during breathing. Hence the breathing problems. Norepinephrine is located outside the brain and in other parts of the body. The next point is serotonin. In addition to regulating mood and perceiving information from the outside world, this neurotransmitter affects the perception of signals from peripheral neurons. You have probably noticed that antidepressants from the SSRI group make it difficult to achieve orgasm. This happens because the brain begins to weakly recognize the signal from irritation of the genitals. There is another point in F., this is that peripheral neurons (nociceptors) turn on and cannot turn off. Imagine that you went to bed, the light is on in the room, you press the switch to turn off the light, but the light does not turn off, the button is stuck in the "on" position. To turn off this button, use anticonvulsants (lyrica, gabapentin). In the situation with the author of the post, somatic diseases are the cause of F. , if I understand correctly, he suffers from a number of debilitating musculoskeletal disorders and has undergone more than one operation. You are right, the cause is in the central nervous system, but somatoform disorders arise from problems in the central nervous system. As my doctor F. said, this is a complex mental, neurological disorder. It often occurs as a reaction to stress and as a reaction to a somatic disease. The success of F. treatment largely depends on the treatment of the underlying disease that caused F. I want F. to rule. This is a heterogeneous disease - different causes of F., the result is the same. By the way, have you ever wondered why F. occurs more often in women? The doctor said, because neurosis occurs much more often in women than in men - differences in the work and relationships of parts of the brain, the brain have some differences depending on gender. The problem in muscle function is largely associated with the neurotransmitter so duloxetine and venlafaxine are the drugs of choice - they lead to the reuptake of norepinephrine. This neurotransmitter greatly affects the functioning of organs, including muscles, intestines, bowel diseases and irritable bowel syndrome. By the way, a person breathes thanks to muscles - the diaphragm, it expands and contracts the lungs during breathing. Hence the breathing problems. Norepinephrine is located outside the brain and in other parts of the body. The next point is serotonin. In addition to regulating mood and perceiving information from the outside world, this neurotransmitter affects the perception of signals from peripheral neurons. You have probably noticed that antidepressants from the SSRI group make it difficult to achieve orgasm. This happens because the brain begins to weakly recognize the signal from irritation of the genitals. There is another point in F., this is that peripheral neurons (nociceptors) turn on and cannot turn off. Imagine that you went to bed, the light is on in the room, you press the switch to turn off the light, but the light does not turn off, the button is stuck in the "on" position. To disable this button, use anticonvulsants (lyrica, gabapentin).
In the situation with the author of the post, somatic diseases are the cause of F., if I understand correctly, he suffers from a number of debilitating disorders of the musculoskeletal system and has undergone more than one operation"
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"somatoform disorders arise from problems in the central nervous system." Somatic symptom disorder is frequently associated with functional pain syndromes like fibromyalgia and IBS the key word here is "associated" not cause - one can have fibromyalgia and depression but the depression is associated to the fibromyalgia
"use anticonvulsants (Lyrica, gabapentin)."
- Lyrica is a used as a analgesic not as a anticonvulsants in treatment for fibromyalgia
PS who is the doctor ioe a GP or other.
You are right, the reason is in the central nervous system, but somatoform disorders arise from problems in the central nervous system. As my doctor F. said, this is a complex mental, neurological disorder. It often occurs as a reaction to stress and as a reaction to a somatic disease. The success of F. treatment largely depends on the treatment of the underlying disease that caused F. I want F. to rule. This is a heterogeneous disease - different causes of F., the result is the same. By the way, have you ever wondered why F. occurs more often in women? The doctor said, because neurosis in women is much more common than in men - differences in the work and relationships of parts of the brain, the brain have some differences depending on gender. The problem in muscle function is largely associated with the neurotransmitter norepinephrine, so duloxetine and venlafaxine are the drugs of choice - they lead to the reuptake of norepinephrine. This neurotransmitter greatly affects the functioning of organs, including muscles, intestines, bowel diseases and irritable bowel syndrome. By the way, a person breathes thanks to muscles - the diaphragm, it expands and contracts the lungs during breathing. Hence the breathing problems. Norepinephrine is located outside the brain and in other parts of the body. The next point is serotonin. In addition to regulating mood and perceiving information from the outside world, this neurotransmitter affects the perception of signals from peripheral neurons. You have probably noticed that antidepressants from the SSRI group make it difficult to achieve orgasm. This happens because the brain begins to weakly recognize the signal from irritation of the genitals. There is another point in F., this is that peripheral neurons (nociceptors) turn on and cannot turn off. Imagine that you went to bed, the light is on in the room, you press the switch to turn off the light, but the light does not turn off, the button is stuck in the "on" position. To turn off this button, use anticonvulsants (lyrica, gabapentin). In the situation with the author of the post, somatic diseases are the cause of F. , if I understand correctly, he suffers from a number of debilitating musculoskeletal disorders and has undergone more than one operation. You are right, the cause is in the central nervous system, but somatoform disorders arise from problems in the central nervous system. As my doctor F. said, this is a complex mental, neurological disorder. It often occurs as a reaction to stress and as a reaction to a somatic disease. The success of F. treatment largely depends on the treatment of the underlying disease that caused F. I want F. to rule. This is a heterogeneous disease - different causes of F., the result is the same. By the way, have you ever wondered why F. occurs more often in women? The doctor said, because neurosis occurs much more often in women than in men - differences in the work and relationships of parts of the brain, the brain have some differences depending on gender. The problem in muscle function is largely associated with the neurotransmitter so duloxetine and venlafaxine are the drugs of choice - they lead to the reuptake of norepinephrine. This neurotransmitter greatly affects the functioning of organs, including muscles, intestines, bowel diseases and irritable bowel syndrome. By the way, a person breathes thanks to muscles - the diaphragm, it expands and contracts the lungs during breathing. Hence the breathing problems. Norepinephrine is located outside the brain and in other parts of the body. The next point is serotonin. In addition to regulating mood and perceiving information from the outside world, this neurotransmitter affects the perception of signals from peripheral neurons. You have probably noticed that antidepressants from the SSRI group make it difficult to achieve orgasm. This happens because the brain begins to weakly recognize the signal from irritation of the genitals. There is another point in F., this is that peripheral neurons (nociceptors) turn on and cannot turn off. Imagine that you went to bed, the light is on in the room, you press the switch to turn off the light, but the light does not turn off, the button is stuck in the "on" position. To disable this button, use anticonvulsants (lyrica, gabapentin).
In the situation with the author of the post, somatic diseases are the cause of F., if I understand correctly, he suffers from a number of debilitating disorders of the musculoskeletal system and has undergone more than one operation"
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"somatoform disorders arise from problems in the central nervous system." Somatic symptom disorder is frequently associated with functional pain syndromes like fibromyalgia and IBS the key word here is "associated" not cause - one can have fibromyalgia and depression but the depression is associated to the fibromyalgia
"use anticonvulsants (Lyrica, gabapentin)."
- Lyrica is a used as a analgesic not as a anticonvulsants in treatment for fibromyalgia
PS who is the doctor ioe a GP or other.
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@Borzov1982 , thank you for your input. You are, however, stating things as Facts which are only theory.
Fibromyalgia is not a neurosis, and it may be insulting to people on this forum for you to call it that, because that implies that "it's all in your head", or in other words "not real", or a mental illness, none of which is true.
Fibromyalgia is not a somatoform disorder. The definition of somatoform is:
" a psychiatric disorder that causes people to experience physical symptoms that are unexplained in response to psychological distress."
Again, this is saying that it is a psychological disorder, which is not true, and is not the current thinking on fibromyalgia. While it is currently thought that the pain signals that we experience originate in the brain rather than the body, there is a difference between something originating in the brain and something that is the result of an actual psychological disorder or mental illness. For example, an injury to the brain can result in the brain malfunctioning or sending signals to the body, but that doesn't mean that the problem is a mental illness or psychological in nature.
Also, fibromyalgia does not occur more often in women than in men.
It is also untrue as well as being insulting to women to say that women have a greater occurrence of neurosis than men do.
Your personal doctor my have told you these things. But that doesn't mean they are true. different doctors have different ideas and theories on fibromyalgia, many doctors are woefully uninformed or mis-informed when it comes to fibromyalgia, and at this point very little is yet known about the root of it, the causes, or what will be effective treatment for most people who suffer from this syndrome.
Fibromyalgia is not a neurosis, and it may be insulting to people on this forum for you to call it that, because that implies that "it's all in your head", or in other words "not real", or a mental illness, none of which is true.
Fibromyalgia is not a somatoform disorder. The definition of somatoform is:
" a psychiatric disorder that causes people to experience physical symptoms that are unexplained in response to psychological distress."
Again, this is saying that it is a psychological disorder, which is not true, and is not the current thinking on fibromyalgia. While it is currently thought that the pain signals that we experience originate in the brain rather than the body, there is a difference between something originating in the brain and something that is the result of an actual psychological disorder or mental illness. For example, an injury to the brain can result in the brain malfunctioning or sending signals to the body, but that doesn't mean that the problem is a mental illness or psychological in nature.
Also, fibromyalgia does not occur more often in women than in men.
It is also untrue as well as being insulting to women to say that women have a greater occurrence of neurosis than men do.
Your personal doctor my have told you these things. But that doesn't mean they are true. different doctors have different ideas and theories on fibromyalgia, many doctors are woefully uninformed or mis-informed when it comes to fibromyalgia, and at this point very little is yet known about the root of it, the causes, or what will be effective treatment for most people who suffer from this syndrome.
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I live in Eastern Europe and our mentality and ethics may differ from the ethics and mentality of the USA, Great Britain and other countries. I do not want to characterize these differences by the principle of "better" or "worse", this is just some difference, so I do not fully understand why, for example, mentioning the male or female gender in statistics can offend one side or the other and look like discrimination. But since I am on a foreign forum, which has its own requirements for ethics, I am obliged to respect these requirements and want to apologize to those whom I may have offended. You say that I only cite facts that I cannot be sure of and cannot know whether this is true or not. But then your opinion that F. cannot represent a form of somatoform disorder cannot be a statement with 100% reliability, then this is also a fact on your part. Besides, if scientists do not know the full cause of F., then we cannot know for sure ))))
I emphasized that F. is a heterogeneous disease, which means that it has different causes, and in my case, this cause was severe stress, it provoked a somatoform disorder, which led to the clinical picture of fibromyalgia. But I want to say that 1-1.5 years before the debut of the somatoform disorder, signs of depression, sleep disorders began to appear, I began to be irritated by sounds, the latter happened, I think, because my nervous system became more excitable due to disorders in the central nervous system. The trigger for my problems was abacterial prostatitis (I got hypothermia in the cold sea) and ARS syndrome, which I got because of my own stupidity, when I unsuccessfully lifted a terribly heavy stone. In addition to urological symptoms, I started having pain in the hip joint, buttock, lower back, stomach, pelvis. Then the pain began to rise up the spine .... And what happened next, I will not tell you, because it will take several hours. All this was accompanied by severe stress. I suspected the most serious diseases, which further increased the stress. Two months of doctors and all to no avail, until I got to a psychiatrist. Duloxetine cured me, within a month I began to see improvements, but for the first 6 months I could not subject myself to physical labor because this caused a relapse of F., I took duloxetine for 2 years, I have not taken it for 7 months, so far everything is fine. But I have been taking 15 mg of mirtazapine at night for three years.
Thanks to the exchange of my and your opinions, a thought came to my mind: if a somatoform disorder causes symptoms that are similar to some disease, then maybe my somatoform disorder was just similar to fibromyalgia, but in fact was not fibromyalgia? I will ask this question to the doctor.
P.S. It was my doctor who did not claim that F. is more often diagnosed in women, he said that in his practice it is 50/50
I emphasized that F. is a heterogeneous disease, which means that it has different causes, and in my case, this cause was severe stress, it provoked a somatoform disorder, which led to the clinical picture of fibromyalgia. But I want to say that 1-1.5 years before the debut of the somatoform disorder, signs of depression, sleep disorders began to appear, I began to be irritated by sounds, the latter happened, I think, because my nervous system became more excitable due to disorders in the central nervous system. The trigger for my problems was abacterial prostatitis (I got hypothermia in the cold sea) and ARS syndrome, which I got because of my own stupidity, when I unsuccessfully lifted a terribly heavy stone. In addition to urological symptoms, I started having pain in the hip joint, buttock, lower back, stomach, pelvis. Then the pain began to rise up the spine .... And what happened next, I will not tell you, because it will take several hours. All this was accompanied by severe stress. I suspected the most serious diseases, which further increased the stress. Two months of doctors and all to no avail, until I got to a psychiatrist. Duloxetine cured me, within a month I began to see improvements, but for the first 6 months I could not subject myself to physical labor because this caused a relapse of F., I took duloxetine for 2 years, I have not taken it for 7 months, so far everything is fine. But I have been taking 15 mg of mirtazapine at night for three years.
Thanks to the exchange of my and your opinions, a thought came to my mind: if a somatoform disorder causes symptoms that are similar to some disease, then maybe my somatoform disorder was just similar to fibromyalgia, but in fact was not fibromyalgia? I will ask this question to the doctor.
P.S. It was my doctor who did not claim that F. is more often diagnosed in women, he said that in his practice it is 50/50
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I disagree -causes are not as yet known for fibromyalgia - two current thinking's are a CNS disorder or an autoimmune disease what you are describing in detail is not fibromyalgia but Somatic symptom disorder
Somatic symptom disorder is diagnosed when a person has a significant focus on physical symptoms, such as pain, weakness or shortness of breath, to a level that results in major distress and/or problems functioning. The individual has excessive thoughts, feelings and behaviors relating to the physical symptoms. The physical symptoms may or may not be associated with a diagnosed medical condition, but the person is experiencing symptoms and believes they are sick (that is, not faking the illness).
this not to say that65 some on the forum has not been over worried with say the pain that they might think they have cancer or MS etc and in my cased I suffer from fibromyalgia Lung problems with O2 down around the lower 80's, essential tremor and spinal problems I have offten worried about the fact that I might have MS - these are not excessive thoughts but they at times do concern me so I would fail a diagnosis of somatic symptom disorder and instead simply be treated for depression as most on the forum would be.
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I have always found Russian people very much the same as me when I have visited Russia and now as a Ham radio Operator I still find that we have similar ethic etc
Does anyone else deal with tight shoulders to the point that it hurts to run wash rag over them in th shower? it happens after a few regular days then I have about two days i bed.
Also was going to ask for to to do muscle biopsy not sure if it is worth it. any response would be helpful.
Also was going to ask for to to do muscle biopsy not sure if it is worth it. any response would be helpful.
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a muscle biopsy would not be any value fore fibromyalgia as although there is pain felt in the muscle it is simply an incorrect pain responds from the CNS
ie pain where no reason for pain exists
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@johnsalmon, sounds like you need th see a physical therapist to perform myofascial release on you. Helps tremendously with tightness.
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@chestert6 ...a biopsy is unlikely to be the thing you need, although of course that is a decision for your doctor. Normally that is a test that is only performed if you have a growth and they need to check to see if it is cancerous. A biopsy is not a treatment for tight or sore muscles.
If you have not already tried the following, I recommend you think about trying the following:
physical therapy
heating pad
muscle relaxants
application of a CBD rub or Tiger's Balm or Icy Hot or other muscle rub
application of Arnica gel
relaxation techniques
Wishing you the best of luck.
If you have not already tried the following, I recommend you think about trying the following:
physical therapy
heating pad
muscle relaxants
application of a CBD rub or Tiger's Balm or Icy Hot or other muscle rub
application of Arnica gel
relaxation techniques
Wishing you the best of luck.
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Hello. Today I asked my doctor whether my fibromyalgia could actually be a somatoform disorder, which only looks like fibromyalgia, he answered me: “I think you have fibromyalgia.”
