Hi there! I’m new to the forum. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia in early 2021 although i had suspected it for at least 15 years. Doctor says now, due to my strange symptoms as a teen, I’ve had it since I was as about 12. I am now almost 55. Does anyone else get pain in old injuries with hormone fluctuations? Especially when ovulating? It’s weird even though i am going through menopause this still happens but like clockwork. Does anyone elses body go nutso during that time? I’m managing pain okay somewhat the fatigue/lethargy is what is debilitating. I am usually very active and upbeat but the mix of fibro and menopause is no joke!
Pain in old injuries
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Hi there, LaurieJo: both are very common - pain in old injuries coming up when something adds itself, as well as menopause "causing" that!
For me, working on my local pains as soon as they come up brings these down to zero, so when something adds itself I don't have to do that much to get them back under control again.
I think part of why they keep coming up again is "distraction" from doing something about them, so it's good to keep on our toes. I call that a "zero tolerance" attitude to any inklings. Good thing about old ones rather than new ones is that every time we can find out more how to work on them best.
For me, working on my local pains as soon as they come up brings these down to zero, so when something adds itself I don't have to do that much to get them back under control again.
I think part of why they keep coming up again is "distraction" from doing something about them, so it's good to keep on our toes. I call that a "zero tolerance" attitude to any inklings. Good thing about old ones rather than new ones is that every time we can find out more how to work on them best.
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Suggestions? We have those!I had a couple unfortunate falls in 2022 and they seemed to have increased the fibro pain and lethargy. I’ve tried to figure out how to lessen symptoms but still struggling. I am open to suggestions
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I am post menopausal now and I find that the associated hormonal changes does influence my fibromyalgia and concurrent conditions such as environmental illness and irritable bowel syndrome in different ways, as well as reactions to both new and old injuries.
For example, in 2019/2020, I had a very stressful move from one apartment to another within the same city. In addition to the usual stresses associated with relocation, I was a victim of a moving scam in which the crooks held my furniture hostage until I paid exorbitant amounts of money - cash only. During this move, they insisted I had to drive with them in the transport van instead of in the taxi with my friend who was helping me move. I refused because of my claustrophobia, the height of the van, and their second hand smoke. During the conflict, I stepped back to get out and fell flat on my back on the snow and ice covered concrete. I know I hurt my neck, middle and lower back and left hip/upper leg. The bruises on my back took over a year to heal, and I still can't sleep on my left side. Given that it was during COVID, I had an issue with masks, which were mandatory, so I was not able to get checked out via telephone consult until much later that year, when I was concerned about pain in the neck and back of my head and other neurological "soft signs" like my legs feeling wooden and not lifting my feet enough (although I never did). I believe this injury triggered fibromyalgia symptoms in other parts of my body, including resurfacing of occipital pain at the back of the head, as well as onset of various coincidental symptoms/medical events such as floaters/possible vitreous detachment with flashing lights; exacerbation of multiple chemical sensitivities; hoarseness/laryngitis; and irritable bowel symptoms swinging to the opposite end of the spectrum, including abdominal pain; weight loss and thinning of muscles; hair loss - ah, the joys of getting old (not).
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I'm so much worse now that I'm starting menopause, as I'm sure you know, menopause gives you a lot of joint pain. So that's why you're hurting much more.
Are you on any HRT? It can be hard to get the right thing for you. I'm on the gel as the patches give me migraines. Which is funny, as most women get migraines from the menopause, and the patches stop there migraine symptoms.
Are you on any HRT? It can be hard to get the right thing for you. I'm on the gel as the patches give me migraines. Which is funny, as most women get migraines from the menopause, and the patches stop there migraine symptoms.
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Yes, I notice some of the joints in the knuckles, fingers and toes are larger, almost look swollen. Both mom and dad had arthritis so I'm probably susceptible to it as well. I don't use any hormone replacement therapy because chemicals and I don't mix. Mom didn't, either. The symptoms did level off over the years although I must say I'm more easily irritable, angry and depressed and anxious these days, but then, who isn't given the world we live in. And yet, in some ways that I can't quite explain, post menopause had a moderating effect on my emotions, I think. The only thing I can ascribe to that is the role of estrogen, maybe it was toxic for me, which combined with the environmental toxins that mimic estrogens.
Oh, migraines are horrible! Do they affect your vision and make you stomach sick? I developed ocular "atypical" migraines (without the pain) which makes my vision go out of wack, wavy lines, almost like looking through a translucent object, extreme sensitivity to light. The first attack I had, I thought it was a stroke, so I went to the Emergency department, but by the time I got seen, they had subsided, because these attacks last approximately 20 minutes apparently, although I've never timed it. Thankfully, the blood tests came out negative for bleeding/stroke, but they referred me to a specialist, who diagnosed it as ocular migraines. They eventually lessened in frequency and severity, but there's been a resurgence in later years, including floaters which I find distressing, although compared to other patients' experiences they are not that bad and not constant.
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In Germany, Vitex agnus-castus = chasteberry / chaste tree / monk's pepper is used traditionally for all kinds of women's disorders.
2 months ago a gynaecologist recommended it to someone I know for menopause. It's been working surprisingly well.
No proper studies have been done on it, but indications are that they'd confirm positive outcomes.
As chemicals / hormones bear the risk of 'disordering' even more, something natural with less side effects is preferred here by many.
For menopause the recommended dose is 40-80mg, which if it's a 10:1 extract would mean 4-8mg. The product she's using has 11mg of a 10:1 extract with no additions and alone.
2 months ago a gynaecologist recommended it to someone I know for menopause. It's been working surprisingly well.
No proper studies have been done on it, but indications are that they'd confirm positive outcomes.
As chemicals / hormones bear the risk of 'disordering' even more, something natural with less side effects is preferred here by many.
For menopause the recommended dose is 40-80mg, which if it's a 10:1 extract would mean 4-8mg. The product she's using has 11mg of a 10:1 extract with no additions and alone.
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Hi LaurieJo, welcome to the forum
, well at my month time, I always found my fibro pain to exacerbate (especially my legs) by old injuries do you mean operation, accidents from the falls, or something? oh, + happy new year, too 
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, well at my month time, I always found my fibro pain to exacerbate (especially my legs) by old injuries do you mean operation, accidents from the falls, or something? oh, + happy new year, too ️
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Oh God yes
. I am a man by the way but old injuries are the worst. I have a suspicion this is all caused by our hormones being messed up from Roundup that is now in every single human on Earth, even kids.
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Roundup, yes. But not only that.....we all have micro plastics in our bodies at this point, not to mention a host of other things. There are so many toxins in our environment that it's not easy to pinpoint what is the worst. All of that, plus the overwhelming stress of just living as a human being on the planet these days, is contributing heavily to the waves of illness and disorders that we are seeing in human beings in recent years.
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It's quite a melting pot of stress for our mind and bodies. Difficult to avoid and get on with life while already dealing with the backlog. Another man commenting in the thread, I have found pain from injuries to have had one of the biggest impacts. I tried explaining to a doctor a few months ago that old injuries like whiplash aswell as recent ones like chronic left bicep pain really mount up. I can imagine other members finding it difficult tending to these pains while others mount up and we become deconditioned.
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I do see all the dangers of modern technology, partly spread over all the world, and partly very much more concentrated. (So much so, that I am one of the people who do almost as much as a single person can to opt out contributing to it.)
On the other hand, injuries, trauma, violence, suppression etc. have always been there as long as we've existed.
And no way do I want to swap with people living in any other century, I'm sure I wouldn't have made it to 30.
I don't at all think my conditions come from modern life alone, and there's absolutely no proof either way.
And wouldn't have had any resources (like the web, peace in my country at the moment etc.) to get my condition under control.
I know, "die hard optimist" at it again....
On the other hand, injuries, trauma, violence, suppression etc. have always been there as long as we've existed.
And no way do I want to swap with people living in any other century, I'm sure I wouldn't have made it to 30.
I don't at all think my conditions come from modern life alone, and there's absolutely no proof either way.
And wouldn't have had any resources (like the web, peace in my country at the moment etc.) to get my condition under control.
I know, "die hard optimist" at it again....
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I agree, @JayCS , life has been challenging ever since there has been life on this planet. Life is challenging for every sentient being everywhere and in all times. Ad of course our various conditions do not stem entirely from modern life, or at least probably not, and as you say there's no way to prove either way.
We don't even have a concept of how hard it was to be a human being in, say, 1524. In many ways it was a lot harder than it is now. In other ways, it probably was not. I think one difference is that in previous centuries there were not the toxins in the environment that exist now (although there certainly were unchecked diseases!).
And of course, people's problems in times past were far more personal. You had fear or anxiety because you or your way of making a living, or someone you cared about or your community, was in some way threatened. These days there is still that, but on top of that we also know what is happening in the rest of the world, to people thousands of miles away, and that has an effect on us as well.
Knowing that as things are going now the human species is very likely to bring about its own extinction, or very near extinction, before more centuries have passed, along with that of many other species on the planet is stressful for most people. Surveys have shown that there are more people who identify as depressed in the US than ever before, and therapists are at a loss for how to help people with climate dysphoria, which is rapidly growing into a serious problem, considering that they cannot use traditional methods to treat it.
I wouldn't want to time travel to live in another time if such a thing were possible. This is a fascinating time to be here, and I am pretty sure my life is easier than it would have been in many if not most other times and places. But it is also an awful time to be here, with a bleak future for many species on this beautiful planet. The thing that gives me the most comfort is that I feel certain that after the human species is gone, this lovely planet will regenerate and there will be many more wonderful species that evolve in time.
We don't even have a concept of how hard it was to be a human being in, say, 1524. In many ways it was a lot harder than it is now. In other ways, it probably was not. I think one difference is that in previous centuries there were not the toxins in the environment that exist now (although there certainly were unchecked diseases!).
And of course, people's problems in times past were far more personal. You had fear or anxiety because you or your way of making a living, or someone you cared about or your community, was in some way threatened. These days there is still that, but on top of that we also know what is happening in the rest of the world, to people thousands of miles away, and that has an effect on us as well.
Knowing that as things are going now the human species is very likely to bring about its own extinction, or very near extinction, before more centuries have passed, along with that of many other species on the planet is stressful for most people. Surveys have shown that there are more people who identify as depressed in the US than ever before, and therapists are at a loss for how to help people with climate dysphoria, which is rapidly growing into a serious problem, considering that they cannot use traditional methods to treat it.
I wouldn't want to time travel to live in another time if such a thing were possible. This is a fascinating time to be here, and I am pretty sure my life is easier than it would have been in many if not most other times and places. But it is also an awful time to be here, with a bleak future for many species on this beautiful planet. The thing that gives me the most comfort is that I feel certain that after the human species is gone, this lovely planet will regenerate and there will be many more wonderful species that evolve in time.
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